I don't know if anyone has seen this yet but I've discovered that Mate Select is now available on the Kennel Club site. 

I've just been having a play with it and had some good fun!  

The facility could prove to be very useful  when considering several potential mates for a bitch.

I couldn't find it, can you post the link.  Thanks

"Black haired, brown eyed handsome chap, loves country sports, long evenings on the sofa and bones, seeks like minded lady companion for fun and puppies.  Must have GSOH and impeccable pedigree"

.....or is that not how it works? 

For a minute I thought you were describing yourself and that you missed off that fact that you are an anorak and like long lazy days sitting on a train platform!!

Found it

http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/

That is a really interesting site.  I have been putting in Bebe's pedigree up to about 10 generations in my own programme on my laptop for some time now; the results i get from the KC website are quite different to mine , anyone else found this?

Jackie

Hi Ali - Sorry I didn't reply sooner.  I had to go out for a while.  Glad you found it!

Hi Neill - Not quite got the idea but I like your style!;)

Hi Jackie - Glad you said that!  I nearly mentioned about the differing results but decided I had made mistakes!  I got totally different COI results for all of mine but thought the KC should be the correct ones as they should have all the info.  Maybe not?!?:lol:

Danalimatt Gundogs at May 26, 2011 at 11:59 AM

For a minute I thought you were describing yourself and that you missed off that fact that you are an anorak and like long lazy days sitting on a train platform!!

How did you know that? 

The KC are trying on paper at least, but there are too many variables and imponderables to predict how pups from an unknown mating will turn out

Anyone know how many generations the COI calculations use?

The KC are trying on paper or rather on screen to provide a useful service,but I think there are too many variables and imponderables to predict how pups from an unknown mating will turn out, let alone how individual pups will turn out.

Anyone know how many generations the COI calculations use?

You are correct, of course BM, it's just an extra tool to help work out the COI. They have all the info we sometimes struggle to obtain to do our own calculations correctly especially where there are less wellknown dogs or "older"lines in the pedigrees.  I did all my own dogs COI with varying degrees of success.

If you try a calculation the results tell you how many generations are considered and how many of those are complete.

It says the 1st seven are complete and then differs after that. What an EYE opener, my poor old Seren comes in at 28.6% over 10, but then she has got Kestrel for breakfast, dinner and tea!!!!

Poor Seren but then you did expect that didn't you?:P

The number of complete generations vary from dog to dog though Pauline.  One of mine only has 6 complete generations and one has 8.  Can't remember the others.

Some of the well used sires have quite good COI's in themselves ( no comment on health testing though!) but their progeny in some cases is diabolical.  Guess thats what you get from line breeding or shoving two dogs together without thought!

I've been looking at possible sires for my girls so I can keep a pup to use with Sandy idc and the results in some cases throws water on the idea!  Even where I get a good result from the trial mating though I can't then use that result with Sandy to see how that works out.  I'd love the KC to add that facility to the tool. 

Of course, you have to actually LIKE the dog too..............!

Anybody know at what level of co-efficient the KC will decline registrations then in future? It doesn't seem clear to me. Why don't they just record the co-efficient against every dog instead of declining registrations? Then it's up to the individual. Another fabulous elitist idea by the KC. Not. Splinter dog-ownership still further,  rather than bring it together. i'd imagine some of the finest working bloodlines will be alienated under these regulations.

Glad I don't breed (gun)dogs for a living.

We must all remember that this is just another "tool" in our full "tool box" of things that come together to make a good dog and not loose sight of the important others aspects like, working ability, bid-ability, confirmation, health etc.

Neill at May 27, 2011 at 2:26 AM

Danalimatt Gundogs at May 26, 2011 at 11:59 AM

For a minute I thought you were describing yourself and that you missed off that fact that you are an anorak and like long lazy days sitting on a train platform!!

How did you know that? 

I can't believe you haven't heard!! 

I am a witch!!!

Keith61 at May 27, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Anybody know at what level of co-efficient the KC will decline registrations then in future? It doesn't seem clear to me. Why don't they just record the co-efficient against every dog instead of declining registrations? Then it's up to the individual. Another fabulous elitist idea by the KC. Not. Splinter dog-ownership still further,  rather than bring it together. i'd imagine some of the finest working bloodlines will be alienated under these regulations.

Glad I don't breed (gun)dogs for a living.

AS far as I am aware, there are no suggestions that they will use this to decline registrations.

If they ever grow any balls, there are so many others things they should be enforcing first!

Cnocnafeille Cockers at May 27, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Poor Seren but then you did expect that didn't you?:P

The number of complete generations vary from dog to dog though Pauline.  One of mine only has 6 complete generations and one has 8.  Can't remember the others.

Some of the well used sires have quite good COI's in themselves ( no comment on health testing though!) but their progeny in some cases is diabolical.  Guess thats what you get from line breeding or shoving two dogs together without thought!

I've been looking at possible sires for my girls so I can keep a pup to use with Sandy idc and the results in some cases throws water on the idea!  Even where I get a good result from the trial mating though I can't then use that result with Sandy to see how that works out.  I'd love the KC to add that facility to the tool. 

Of course, you have to actually LIKE the dog too..............!

What I don't understand is that one of mine is calculated over 13 generations, but only the first 7 are complete.

How come the KC have dogs on their database that they don't know either the Sire or Dam.  How can a dog just appear and be registered?

Ali, I quote direct from the results page from my dog 'Harvest Time Lad

His index is 11.7%, the breed average is 9.0%. Dogs do not appear on both sides of his pedigree until the 4th generation. Apparently they have 8 complete generations for him.

"An inbreeding coefficient of 12.5% means that there is a 1 in 8 chance that a dog will inherit the same version of gene from the same dog that appears in both the sire’s and dam’s pedigree. For example, the puppies born to a mother/son, father/daughter or brother/sister mating would be at least 25%; the risk associated with such a high inbreeding coefficient is considered too high and the KC WILL NO LONGER REGISTER PUPPIES from such matings. The inbreeding coefficient of puppies born from a grandfather/granddaughter mating would be at least 12.5%."

BTW, Brian's next litter from his 'strain' will be father/daughter I believe. They will be some of the finest gun-dogs you will find. They will be snapped up by gamekeepers and triallers and if I ever get a second dog, it will come from this strain. If it's good enough for the likes of  Mr Openshaw and others, it's good enough for me.

Yet they will fail to be KC registered it seems........